Yale Films decline...

[Hanthx]

Someone told me the other day, that Yale Film and Labs declined to transfer his film (after they processed it) due to questionable content.
-A single lick to a candle from a girl-
Now maybe that can be questionable, but what they told them was not professional.

"Take your money, and your film, and get out!
Our hands will be clean when Judgement Day comes"

Nice folks eh.

Sc;0tt

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[Scott Nocella]

No one has the right to judge another. We've had enough judgement days to live through...it's time for a change....time to express one's self in a good way and effect a change within one's self in order to allow true freedom...I forgive them for being judgemental and send them love....their going to need it!!!

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[Matt Pacini]

Well, that surprises me.
I would really like to hear both sides of that story, because I wonder if that statement was said after a really obnoxious comment on the part of the customer.

Maybe not, but I've said those words before "take your money and get out" only it was after some pretty abusive customer action, like for instance, the time I had my face slit open by someone shoplifting, after I politely I told them to leave.
Or, the time I refused (politely) to do business for someone from NAMBLA, and told him we don't do this kind of stuff, again, politely, and he went off on me.
(NAMBLA stands for North American Man-Boy Love Association, figure it out yourself).
Then also the time that the head of the Church of Satan wanted us to type up their "poems" that had all sorts of bizarre ritual prose in it, with things like (drink blood here), and stuff like that. I was manager, and nobody in the place would do it, and I wouldn't either. That was over our line, and that was our right.
Yeah, they launched on me, threatened lawsuits, and personal harm, and yeah, I said "take your money and get out".
So it's all in context, you know.

And as far as being judgemental, we all judge, it's just that we all have that line not to be crossed, in different places. So it's a little hypocritical to say that nobody should judge, because we all do, all the time.

How many of you would NOT have refused service to the guy from NAMBLA?
I worked for a graphics business, and they wanted us to do up their logo and print their newsletters. Their logo has a mans head in profile, with a boys head in silouette inside, and they are very upfront about how they think it's perfectly normal for adult men to have sex with little boys, how the laws are unfair and should be changed, etc. These people are for real, I'm not imagining it, check into it yourself if you don't believe me (This was all in Hollywood CA by the way. Shocking, isn't it?).

So, let's all respect peoples boundaries, as to what Yale is willing to accept and not accept, that's their business, and if this guy saw their disclaimer, and wasn't scared enough to ask them if this was OK, I'd say that's his fault.

Criticising someone's being judgemental, is in itself, being judgemental, you know?

So I respect Yale, even if I find their line to cross, quite a bit more conservative than my line, and I would really want to hear all of this to know really what happened before drawing conclusions.
In other words, keeping an open mind until you hear the whole story, is what not being judgemental is all about.

Matt Pacini

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[MovieStuff]

Hi, Matt!

Well, I agree with part of what you're saying. Why take your film to a lab that you already know is going to reject your subject matter? However, it sounds like they kind of make up the rules as they go along, to a degree. More importantly, to have to second guess their actions is kind of a drag if one is trying to make out a budget and schedule. I would hate to feel it necessary to call them everytime I felt like doing something that no one else in the world would feel was provocative, just to see if they felt it was okay after I had used their pricing to establish a budget.

So, again, I agree with the right to refuse service; I do that too. However, I think they should complete the job they were contracted to do, then simply tell the offending party that they don't want any more of their future business. Pulling the rug out from under people in the middle of production just isn't professional, in my opinion.

Roger

[Mercutio]

Like Matt P. I would be a little cautious about passing judgement on someone else's values before I had the full story. Yale has been in business a long time and generally has a great, if somewhat eccentric reputation. They would not survive if they treated customers so abrupt and rudely. And I suppose someone licking a candle is a bit of a stretch for offensiveness, but we don't know the context of the film or any of the other scene content.

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[chas_ucla]

We covered this in another thread a little while ago. Matt, did they ever respond to you?
On a non-transfer front -- for processing only -- they are the kindest people in the world, I must say. Always polite and very helpful.

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[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chas_ucla:
[B]"Matt, did they ever respond to you?"

No, then never did.


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[8th Man]

No one has the right to judge another? What does that mean? Of coarse people have the right to judge. By that logic you can't even judge the judgers.Or can we only judge those who's opinions we do't like?
The Yale folks are nice and all anyone has to do is avoid them if your stuff doesn't jive with their policy.
You know we also are judging when we say we like something too.

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[Matt Pacini]

Yeah, that was kind of my point.
I was trying to put it nicely, but I do find the statement, "nobody has a right to judge" really irritating, because it's been taken out of context, and always is used for the purpose of really "judging" someone who says something we don't like, or to use against someone who has a strong opinion we disagree with.
Of course, it's in the Bible, and that's where it originally made its way into our way of thinking and language, but the context that it is in in the Bible, is to not excercise judgement on someone.
In other words, the actual judging, and then executing the sentence of judgement.
Like if Yale said, "I'm sorry, we don't do this blasphemous type of work, therefore, we are going to take you into the back room and beat you for your sin".
THAT would be judging, but simply having an opinion about something, and thinking someone else is wrong, well, that's something else entirely.
And that's exactly what we're doing, and in equal measure, when we critizise Yale for their stand, which is OK for us to do too!
It's just not any different than what they're doing, (in the context of judging, that is), only we're on different sides of the issue.


Matt Pacini

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